Saturday, January 23, 2010
Scott Ross has Kelowna. Owen Sound is reporting. Only 65 more to go! Start with Facebook (best list) and go from there. C'mon SR / PAID reporters with time on their hands as little to liveblog these days...HINT HINT O'MALLEY etc. !
Capstick is Lowballing
To be credible, inclination is to lowball, knowing media appreciate how exceptional this is and any perceived liberal estimate reduces credibility. But in reality, as a result, Capstick forgets many, many rallies, in Canada & abroad, larger & smaller. Can some industrious blogger (Scott Ross?) do better? It was much more, in all (speak to me of Owen Sound! Vernon! Penticton! Yellowknife! Whitehorse! London! NY! Costa Rica! Etc.).
Job For Scott Ross? Count Rally Pop Total
Go through web sites & local coverage (Saint John, NB, whassup?!) & figure out rally totals. Curious re. Facebook to rally ratio: 10-1 (20 000), 5-1 (40 000), etc.?
Canadians have spoken. Harper is illegitimate. Harper must go. ASAP.
Canadians have spoken. Harper is illegitimate. Harper must go. ASAP.
Friday, January 22, 2010
COPP Partout - CAPP Everywhere

View Anti-Prorogue Rallies in a larger map / Regardez les manifs anti-prorogation à plus grande échelle
electionnnightincanada.com for more resources / pour d'autres ressources
CAPP Everywhere - COPP Partout
View Anti-Prorogue Rallies in a larger map
electionnightincanada.com for more resources. electionnightincanada.com pour d'autres ressources.
Prorogation Limits: Iggy vs. Goodale, Caucus & Canadians
Iggy has gone back and forth on question of limiting prorogation, from trust me to endorsing formal limits and now back to trust me (@ 3:57). Meanwhile, in latest Macleans, Geddes has Goodale & the Liberal caucus considering three ways to formally limit the PM's hitherto unfettered privilege to prorogue, with Goodale & caucus, in my reading, leaning towards the kind of compromise I've gathered & advanced.
At least one of the same characters who was intellectually & morally cowardly re. the 2008-2009 prorogation (creating the climate in which Harper naturally assumed such conduct was acceptable, given some supposed elite opinion last time) is again misleading Canadians by portraying prorogation as some divine power with which only PMs & GGs are endowed. But this is nonsense. In Parliament Will Fight, Derek Lee evoked a possibility that was picked up by Coyne in The Short Parliament, namely The Act against Dissolving the Long Parliament without its own Consent. The crux : "And be it declared and enacted by the King, our Sovereign Lord, with the assent of the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, that this present Parliament now assembled shall not be dissolved unless it be by Act of Parliament to be passed for that purpose; nor shall be, at any time or times, during the continuance thereof prorogued or adjourned, unless it be by Act of Parliament to be likewise passed for that purpose"
This battle has been fought and won, in 1641 or 1649, as preferred. The how? is not complicated.
1) House resolves that it and future Houses will not agree to be prorogued for longer than, say, 14 days, without a vote of the House.
2) This resolution is adopted as part of the Orders of the House. The Crown (GG & Queen) is notified of this resolution.
3) The House amends the Orders of the House such that they cannot be further amended without 2/3 approval of the House & the approval of the Leader of the Official Opposition, pace Quebec precedents (search for "deux tiers" & then "chef de l'opposition) and in same spirit, Mulcair's Bill 190). NB. QC is not adequately respecting its constitutional requirement for legislative information on both languages. The online English version of the Orders is not up to date.
Remember, Canada is neither a monarchy nor a republic, but a constitutional monarchy. Some seem to forget that it is the monarchy that derives its legitimacy from observance of the constitutional limits placed upon it, that is from parliament and democracy, and not the reverse. The Crown, informed of Parliament's conditions for agreeing to prorogation, in both the current and future parliaments, could not order a prorogation of parliament that ran counter, on the sole advice of the PM, any PM, sole recognised constitutional advisor that he/she is, without delegitimising the Crown itself.
We see once again either the knavery or the foolishness of the "input-output" perverts, whose 2008-2009 view was really "the ends justify the means". These supposed elites, mostly English Canadian elites, and I use the term "elites" very loosely, were so undone by the thought of Bloc support for a left-leaning coalition that they abandoned every democratic, parliamentary, principle they had ever claimed to cherish, and waffled into approving anti-democratic, unconstitutional subversion. They placed perceived raison d'État over claimed respect for parliamentary democracy. It is striking to reflect that they behaved, the supposed Anglo elites, in exactly in the manner they continually & furiously decry in Quebec elites: they placed nationalism over liberalism. For make no mistake, the coalition was legitimate according to every precept of parliamentary democracy, the PM had less than no grounds for asking for a prorogation, and the Crown/GG, as Parliament's designated guarantor of our constitution, should absolutely have refused such an outrageous request. It might not have suited the Anglo elites nationalist agenda (note the unconscious nationalism that justifies illiberal anti-democratic behaviour, exactly what anglos criticise in QC) had she done so, but that is not an argument, and barely an excuse, weak and incoherent.
It is easy to claim to believe in one's ideals when the institutions derived thereof produce personally acceptable results. It is when respect for those ideals would produce personally reviled results that one learns just how real those beliefs are. I always remember Bonhoeffer: “Christians in Germany will face the terrible alternative of either willing the defeat of their nation in order that Christian civilization may survive, or willing the victory of their nation and thereby destroying our civilization. I know which of these alternatives I must choose; but I cannot make that choice in security.” I have said I am a Canadian before I am a large-L Liberal, but I should have added, though I think it is clear from this blog, that I am some sort of small-l liberal (commu-socia-libera-tory?) before I'm a Canadian. I don't believe in Canada, right or wrong, I believe in Canada right, and criticise it when it is, or we are, wrong. Same goes for LPC. This is exactly my problem with QC elites, and now we see, with far too many hypocritical anglo elites.
The ends do not justify the means. Not just as simple moral precept, but also, as observed repeatedly throughout history, by acting in such a manner, the ends themselves are degraded and lost. In 2008-2009 crisis, "in & out" perverts placed what they considered national considerations, that is nationalism, over parliamentary democracy, that is liberalism. They promoted arbitrary executive power, degraded legitimate parliamentary democracy, and subverted the Crown as guarantor of our democracy, since it is only there on the whim and forbearance of the Commons. (I am a fervent monarchist precisely because I understand its subservient role.) This dynamic of placing nationalist considerations over liberalism such that the executive is unchecked always ends badly. There are innumerable examples, but the Bush years are an obvious recent example. Counterproductive even, or esp., in stated aims. Gandhi wasn't just an idealist, he was a canny political leader and he knew: "as the means, so the end."
It's good, I suppose, that the previous anti-democratic perverts are now trying to compensate for their betrayal of claimed principles by concentrating on Harper's latest authoritarianism. Better late than never. But we might not be here if they hadn't cheerleaded and justified when he did it the last time. They should have stuck to their principles. Who is to know what the upshot of the coalition would have been? We will never know. Today's assumptions are tomorrow's garbage. Humility would dictate that one is best off sticking to one's democratic principles and hoping for the best, without clairvoyance of the future, rather than betraying oneself and democracy on shaky assumptions. If it was a choice between two evils, then the choice was between the known certainty of the undermining of Canadian democracy and the unknown supposition of the harm the federation might suffer otherwise. One was known. The other unknown. One spoke to the subversion of the very underpinnings of Western civilisation. The other to possible political troubles within a federation. I don't value Canada over democracy. And no sort of liberal, in the broadest sense, should, or can, without disqualifying themselves as liberals and democrats. (Trudeau said a thing or two about this re. poss of QC separation - (his) Canada is not the kind of country that would keep QC by force).
The question for me, as always, is whether such people are knaves or fools? It is so very hard to tell. To pretend Parliament is incapable of placing limits on the power of prorogation, when it has before, and also does so now in other jurisdictions, is silly. But given the supposed education & knowledge of some who say such things, one wonders, are they really so dim or are they acting to advance some narrow, partisan political aim? What is clear is such foolishness must be nipped in the bud. Goodale & caucus have evoked some useful reforms. I've offered a good one. Don't let Iggy waste this moment and mess up his answer to an obvious question with "trust me". Parliament & the citizens it represents deserve better.
At least one of the same characters who was intellectually & morally cowardly re. the 2008-2009 prorogation (creating the climate in which Harper naturally assumed such conduct was acceptable, given some supposed elite opinion last time) is again misleading Canadians by portraying prorogation as some divine power with which only PMs & GGs are endowed. But this is nonsense. In Parliament Will Fight, Derek Lee evoked a possibility that was picked up by Coyne in The Short Parliament, namely The Act against Dissolving the Long Parliament without its own Consent. The crux : "And be it declared and enacted by the King, our Sovereign Lord, with the assent of the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, that this present Parliament now assembled shall not be dissolved unless it be by Act of Parliament to be passed for that purpose; nor shall be, at any time or times, during the continuance thereof prorogued or adjourned, unless it be by Act of Parliament to be likewise passed for that purpose"
This battle has been fought and won, in 1641 or 1649, as preferred. The how? is not complicated.
1) House resolves that it and future Houses will not agree to be prorogued for longer than, say, 14 days, without a vote of the House.
2) This resolution is adopted as part of the Orders of the House. The Crown (GG & Queen) is notified of this resolution.
3) The House amends the Orders of the House such that they cannot be further amended without 2/3 approval of the House & the approval of the Leader of the Official Opposition, pace Quebec precedents (search for "deux tiers" & then "chef de l'opposition) and in same spirit, Mulcair's Bill 190). NB. QC is not adequately respecting its constitutional requirement for legislative information on both languages. The online English version of the Orders is not up to date.
Remember, Canada is neither a monarchy nor a republic, but a constitutional monarchy. Some seem to forget that it is the monarchy that derives its legitimacy from observance of the constitutional limits placed upon it, that is from parliament and democracy, and not the reverse. The Crown, informed of Parliament's conditions for agreeing to prorogation, in both the current and future parliaments, could not order a prorogation of parliament that ran counter, on the sole advice of the PM, any PM, sole recognised constitutional advisor that he/she is, without delegitimising the Crown itself.
We see once again either the knavery or the foolishness of the "input-output" perverts, whose 2008-2009 view was really "the ends justify the means". These supposed elites, mostly English Canadian elites, and I use the term "elites" very loosely, were so undone by the thought of Bloc support for a left-leaning coalition that they abandoned every democratic, parliamentary, principle they had ever claimed to cherish, and waffled into approving anti-democratic, unconstitutional subversion. They placed perceived raison d'État over claimed respect for parliamentary democracy. It is striking to reflect that they behaved, the supposed Anglo elites, in exactly in the manner they continually & furiously decry in Quebec elites: they placed nationalism over liberalism. For make no mistake, the coalition was legitimate according to every precept of parliamentary democracy, the PM had less than no grounds for asking for a prorogation, and the Crown/GG, as Parliament's designated guarantor of our constitution, should absolutely have refused such an outrageous request. It might not have suited the Anglo elites nationalist agenda (note the unconscious nationalism that justifies illiberal anti-democratic behaviour, exactly what anglos criticise in QC) had she done so, but that is not an argument, and barely an excuse, weak and incoherent.
It is easy to claim to believe in one's ideals when the institutions derived thereof produce personally acceptable results. It is when respect for those ideals would produce personally reviled results that one learns just how real those beliefs are. I always remember Bonhoeffer: “Christians in Germany will face the terrible alternative of either willing the defeat of their nation in order that Christian civilization may survive, or willing the victory of their nation and thereby destroying our civilization. I know which of these alternatives I must choose; but I cannot make that choice in security.” I have said I am a Canadian before I am a large-L Liberal, but I should have added, though I think it is clear from this blog, that I am some sort of small-l liberal (commu-socia-libera-tory?) before I'm a Canadian. I don't believe in Canada, right or wrong, I believe in Canada right, and criticise it when it is, or we are, wrong. Same goes for LPC. This is exactly my problem with QC elites, and now we see, with far too many hypocritical anglo elites.
The ends do not justify the means. Not just as simple moral precept, but also, as observed repeatedly throughout history, by acting in such a manner, the ends themselves are degraded and lost. In 2008-2009 crisis, "in & out" perverts placed what they considered national considerations, that is nationalism, over parliamentary democracy, that is liberalism. They promoted arbitrary executive power, degraded legitimate parliamentary democracy, and subverted the Crown as guarantor of our democracy, since it is only there on the whim and forbearance of the Commons. (I am a fervent monarchist precisely because I understand its subservient role.) This dynamic of placing nationalist considerations over liberalism such that the executive is unchecked always ends badly. There are innumerable examples, but the Bush years are an obvious recent example. Counterproductive even, or esp., in stated aims. Gandhi wasn't just an idealist, he was a canny political leader and he knew: "as the means, so the end."
It's good, I suppose, that the previous anti-democratic perverts are now trying to compensate for their betrayal of claimed principles by concentrating on Harper's latest authoritarianism. Better late than never. But we might not be here if they hadn't cheerleaded and justified when he did it the last time. They should have stuck to their principles. Who is to know what the upshot of the coalition would have been? We will never know. Today's assumptions are tomorrow's garbage. Humility would dictate that one is best off sticking to one's democratic principles and hoping for the best, without clairvoyance of the future, rather than betraying oneself and democracy on shaky assumptions. If it was a choice between two evils, then the choice was between the known certainty of the undermining of Canadian democracy and the unknown supposition of the harm the federation might suffer otherwise. One was known. The other unknown. One spoke to the subversion of the very underpinnings of Western civilisation. The other to possible political troubles within a federation. I don't value Canada over democracy. And no sort of liberal, in the broadest sense, should, or can, without disqualifying themselves as liberals and democrats. (Trudeau said a thing or two about this re. poss of QC separation - (his) Canada is not the kind of country that would keep QC by force).
The question for me, as always, is whether such people are knaves or fools? It is so very hard to tell. To pretend Parliament is incapable of placing limits on the power of prorogation, when it has before, and also does so now in other jurisdictions, is silly. But given the supposed education & knowledge of some who say such things, one wonders, are they really so dim or are they acting to advance some narrow, partisan political aim? What is clear is such foolishness must be nipped in the bud. Goodale & caucus have evoked some useful reforms. I've offered a good one. Don't let Iggy waste this moment and mess up his answer to an obvious question with "trust me". Parliament & the citizens it represents deserve better.
Thursday, January 21, 2010
Wednesday, January 20, 2010
Iggy & Libs Doing Best (Strange, eh?)
It's a funny old world where I end up defending Iggy. But I just felt moved to comment on a report & comments, and I reproduce my comment here:
I think I am on record as probably the most consistent, most emphatic critic of Iggy out there, and for the longest sustained period. So perhaps some might listen when I disagree sharply re. the previous NDP vs. Lib characterisation, and say Iggy & the Libs are doing well. The Libs were the first Opposition party to do as CAPP asked and commit to showing up for work on the 25th. The others were ambivalent at best, and the NDP was actually loudly opposed, claiming that it would do better to stay in the ridings. I would especially refer you to their press statement NDP won't join Liberal prorogation protest and Wasylycia-Leis screaming at Lib MP on a panel on CTV's Power Play (Jan 12 I think) [this has been corrected from original comment], preventing any criticism of Cons for prorogation, such was her/NDP determination to score points off Libs, rather than take issue seriously. From the beginning, when Libs made it clear that their position on torture allegations was "let the chips fall" by supporting inquiry back to 2001, to quickly acceding to CAPP demands, to rousing cross-country tour by leader, in context that served him well, to being first to establish actual serious panels led by MPs to examine a number of public policy issues despite and/or because of prorogation, the Libs have been quickest and most effective caucus. The ads were an excellent cost-benefit calculation: rarely has so little money bought so much coverage, eh? And how much did this dynamic, plus increased popularity, increase Lib donations in this quarter as compared to 2009? All in all, well done Donolo.
I am glad NDP leadership has been pressured by activists into reversing themselves on 25th. I welcome their prorogation proposal - they have taken the tack one would expect. Libs can now propose a compromise position between PM privilege and Parliamentary prerogative. This is all good news, for idealistic NDP & Libs, and more importantly, for all Canadian democrats of good faith. Point scoring is counterproductive. There is one big issue, (parliamentary) democracy vs. arbitrary executive. Forget game playing, as much as possible. Just do the right thing. It will be rewarded.
PS. Iggy is what he is. But ever since the beginning of the detainee issue, he has done well, esp. compared to his recent past. I don't really see what could have been achieved over Christmas-New Year period by leader shouting. Rae & Goodale did what was needed. If Iggy needed rest to gear up and now is better, as he is, then fine. Inside Downing St., recurring criticism of Blair was he didn't sleep enough and decisions/performance reflected it.
Blogpost Addendum To Comment: Since facebook has been the medium through which Canadians have expressed their anger with anti-democratic behaviour, it is only right to give CAPP the respect it deserves by having LPC Leader address concerns in Facebook forum. And the roundtables will allow us to flesh serious proposals on a number of topics, notably democratic reform. I've made many proposals over the years. One I should be fairminded enough to mention, is the reversal of Bill C-31. It was one of the few occasions on which I vigourously disagreed with Dion's management. I don't know what happened, in caucus or something, that led to it. But for as smart a political scientist as Dion, and as good a man, not opposing was wrong and sad.
I think I am on record as probably the most consistent, most emphatic critic of Iggy out there, and for the longest sustained period. So perhaps some might listen when I disagree sharply re. the previous NDP vs. Lib characterisation, and say Iggy & the Libs are doing well. The Libs were the first Opposition party to do as CAPP asked and commit to showing up for work on the 25th. The others were ambivalent at best, and the NDP was actually loudly opposed, claiming that it would do better to stay in the ridings. I would especially refer you to their press statement NDP won't join Liberal prorogation protest and Wasylycia-Leis screaming at Lib MP on a panel on CTV's Power Play (Jan 12 I think) [this has been corrected from original comment], preventing any criticism of Cons for prorogation, such was her/NDP determination to score points off Libs, rather than take issue seriously. From the beginning, when Libs made it clear that their position on torture allegations was "let the chips fall" by supporting inquiry back to 2001, to quickly acceding to CAPP demands, to rousing cross-country tour by leader, in context that served him well, to being first to establish actual serious panels led by MPs to examine a number of public policy issues despite and/or because of prorogation, the Libs have been quickest and most effective caucus. The ads were an excellent cost-benefit calculation: rarely has so little money bought so much coverage, eh? And how much did this dynamic, plus increased popularity, increase Lib donations in this quarter as compared to 2009? All in all, well done Donolo.
I am glad NDP leadership has been pressured by activists into reversing themselves on 25th. I welcome their prorogation proposal - they have taken the tack one would expect. Libs can now propose a compromise position between PM privilege and Parliamentary prerogative. This is all good news, for idealistic NDP & Libs, and more importantly, for all Canadian democrats of good faith. Point scoring is counterproductive. There is one big issue, (parliamentary) democracy vs. arbitrary executive. Forget game playing, as much as possible. Just do the right thing. It will be rewarded.
PS. Iggy is what he is. But ever since the beginning of the detainee issue, he has done well, esp. compared to his recent past. I don't really see what could have been achieved over Christmas-New Year period by leader shouting. Rae & Goodale did what was needed. If Iggy needed rest to gear up and now is better, as he is, then fine. Inside Downing St., recurring criticism of Blair was he didn't sleep enough and decisions/performance reflected it.
Blogpost Addendum To Comment: Since facebook has been the medium through which Canadians have expressed their anger with anti-democratic behaviour, it is only right to give CAPP the respect it deserves by having LPC Leader address concerns in Facebook forum. And the roundtables will allow us to flesh serious proposals on a number of topics, notably democratic reform. I've made many proposals over the years. One I should be fairminded enough to mention, is the reversal of Bill C-31. It was one of the few occasions on which I vigourously disagreed with Dion's management. I don't know what happened, in caucus or something, that led to it. But for as smart a political scientist as Dion, and as good a man, not opposing was wrong and sad.
Welcome NDP! Bienvenue NPD!
2:33: "On January 23, New Democrats will, it seems, be joining with Canadians at prorogation protests around the country -- and on January 25th, they'll be on the Hill, "doing the jobs they were elected to do." Uh, does that mean holding workshops? Because if so, they might want to check with the Liberals to try to avoid conflicting schedules. Wait, what am I thinking? That's probably the whole idea. Oh, what's a liveblogger to do?"
Je m'en réjouis. Seriously. Well done. One must never let one's ego get in the way of the bigger picture. And well done to Dippers who pressured NDP leadership to change their minds. Now this is more like it. El pueblo unido jamás será vencido!
Je m'en réjouis. Seriously. Well done. One must never let one's ego get in the way of the bigger picture. And well done to Dippers who pressured NDP leadership to change their minds. Now this is more like it. El pueblo unido jamás será vencido!
Tuesday, January 19, 2010
Monday, January 18, 2010
Dave Duprey, Non-Partisan = electionnightincanada.com
Les bannières ci-dessous, et Election Night In Canada , sont les oeuvres de Dave Duprey, qui n'est membre d'aucun parti politique et qui est aussi non-partisan que l'on puisse l'être, tout en demeurant très impliqué dans les affaires politiques, en tant qu'indépendant. On m'a fait sifflé mot de leur création et comme le tout correspond à ce que je recherche depuis un bout, je tente d'en conscientiser le monde.
Dave Duprey, Non-Partisan = electionnightincanada.com
The banners below, and Election Night In Canada , were created by Dave Duprey, who is not affiliated with any party and is as non-partisan as one can be, and still be very politically active, as an independent. I was made aware of their creation and since they correspond to what I've been looking for, I'm spreading the word.
Sunday, January 17, 2010
Very Belated Season's Greetings
I received several kind notes of holiday greetings before Christmas. I was typically remiss in forgetting to respond. Please forgive my terrible lateness and allow me now to thank you all and wish you the same, particularly LK Taylor, Noah & CS.
Last Word to Stewart: Don't Misuse Niemöller Poem
Twice on this blog, first in 2007 & then this past December, I have excoriated people for abusing Niemöller's poem "First the came...". Jon Stewart recently made the same point, amusingly & conclusively: relevant passage starts at 2:45. That's that.








