Saturday, December 12, 2009
To give Govt no excuses the Opposition may want to offer a committee lineup consisting of Rae, Dosanjh, Cotler, Ménard, Paillé & Mulcair, or any six Govt approves. Terribly unfair to Dewar, Wilfert, Bachand & Lalonde, who've been superb and are completely trustworthy. But if you offer a committee of six former ministers, 3 federal, 3 provincial, and the provincial include attorney-general, industry - also trusted by cons to inquire into govt advertising, and environment in a Lib govt (and a lawyer), you remove any possible excuse for govt to cite national security. It is obscene for a govt including infamous oathbreakers and lawbreakers like MacKay & Toews to lecture anyone on trust, but if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. From the beginning I've said Libs have keep this non-partisan by agreeing to follow this wherever it goes, including Lib Govt years and they've done so. It sucks for Dewar, Bachand & Lalonde, but if that's what it takes, then other opposition parties have to be as serious as Libs and willing to make same sacrifices. Maybe the Govt doesn't have 5 MPs of its own it trusts? No, these six or offer of any six makes the Govt's position untenable. If they were to persist with same ridiculous argument, they would be further exposed as the bad faith fools they are. C'mon Cons, just do the right thing, for once, for God's sake. And if any Con MPs are listening and still believe in the democratic ideals they once enunciated with such passion, this is the time to speak up in caucus and publicly and stand up for Canadian democracy. Why should your party and your country suffer just to protect a couple of selfish lying tossers? Stand up for Canada - stand up for our democracy.
Lucien Bouchard Is A Privy Councillor
And Serge Ménard was QC Attorney General in the toughest years, fighting organised crime, smuggling, dealing with Mohawks & reforming SQ. And Daniel Paillé was trusted enough by Cons to do report on Govt advertising. And those three are off top of my head, there are many trustworthy separatists, as regard state secrets. Just because folk want QC independence doesn't mean they're some sort of Al-Qaida-Taliban demons, aiming for the destruction of Western civilisation, that's laughable. And the responsibilities they've held, and been given by Cons & Libs, proves it. MPs are trusted every day with secrets during in camera sessions: what's the proportion of leaks to number of in camera sittings & members? Less than 0.00001%, at a rough guess. So there is absolutely no basis, zero, nada, none, for security arguments BS. If the Govt hadn't shut down MPCC, hadn't refused public inquiry, hadn't censored documents and intimidated witnesses, and outright lied, inside and outside parliament, again and again, we wouldn't be here. I would reiterate, as I have done from beginning, as every fair observer has done, that the Cons would be best off, and Canada certainly would, if they would just do the right thing and let the MPCC do its job, and now, having shut it down, have an inquiry. The harm they will do themselves and Confederation if they persist in this folly is incalculable. What are a couple of political careers against the long-term viability of the Con brand and, most importantly, the good of Canada? But if they indeed pursue the path of authoritarianism, which I still don't believe they will, then all democrats must stand up for democracy and do what needs to be done to defend our democracy. At the end of the day, one must ask oneself whether one is a democrat or authoritarian, pick a side, and stand up for it. Parliamentary supremacy and democracy is not to be compromised.
Friday, December 11, 2009
Irony: Statute Of Westminster Day
(h/t canadawrite) CDA flies Union Jack today honouring the Statute of Westminster: nice pic of Skelton & King - Skelton would have been really peeved about recent events. Incredible irony of Cons tentatively advocating overthrow of Westminster Model today, eh? (Still don't believe they'll do what they're suggesting).
Disbelieving, But If So, Parliament Doesn't Go To Court
I still don't think Day's incoherence is last word on Con respect for democracy - too incredible. But if true, then for Parliament to go to court to protect its prerogatives would undermine those same prerogatives. There are no "written" constitutional issues here (ex: division of powers, human rights), the government has acknowledged that. So question: is parliament supreme? If yes, then for parliament to submit itself to judgment of court on its supremacy would undermine that same principle of supremacy. Courts asked to rule should refuse and send back to parliament. And parliament cannot and must not pursue this in courts. All the issues have been decided. Parliament is either supreme or it isn't, parliamentary democracy exists or it doesn't. All political systems depend, at the end of the day, on agreeing to abide by basic rules. If we are a democracy, a parliamentary democracy, then all the players have to abide by consequent rule of parliamentary supremacy, subject to countervailing constitutional laws. Any who don't are no longer democrats but authoritarians. So if you a democrat, a Canadian parliamentary democrat, then you refuse to have parliament appear before any other body, like a court, to affirm its supremacy. Supremacy, by its very nature, is not subject to any other body. Were the Cons to refuse to obey parliament, they would be breaking the law, parliament's law, the supreme law. Opposition should not, must not, cannot, seek remedy before the courts, as that would deny parliamentary supremacy. Even should they, which they shouldn't, courts should refuse to hear them, or, à la limite, issue instant judgment reaffirming their inferiority v-à-v parliament and reaffirming that all, executive included, are subject to, beneath, parliament.
Thursday, December 10, 2009
Constitutional Crisis: Brink Of Authoritarian Revolution
We now see where the supposed "input-output" illogic used to justify Harper's illegitimate prorogation has led us, with Ned Franks now also going all wet on parliamentary supremacy. Parliamentary supremacy and its related conventions are the very basis of our system, going back to Magna Carta & 1215, and are only restrained by those explicit written constitutional limits we have imposed, notably 1867 Constitutional Act & 1982 Constitution Act. There is nothing, but nothing, as recognised by Nicholson, in either of those that can in any way even dream of hinting of suggesting that the Government is not subject to the House's will in this matter, in any way, shape or form. Those who went all wet on legislative legitimacy & supremacy v-à-v the executive last December and choose to criticise Russell & the overwhelming majority of constitutional scholars, mocking the "Massey College crowd", have helped to create a climate in which the Government of Canada may apparently feel free to brazenly break the law, and not just any law but the very cornerstone of our system, using Stalinist logic: "How many divisions/forces of coercion does the Opposition have?".
I say Stalinist knowingly, and I always try to weigh my words, because frankly, after all the fuss about China and false comparisons to Canada, there is no other way to describe the justification potentially used by a government which relies on de facto brute force overwhelming the law, in both its narrowest & broadest senses. There is no other way to describe this other than, without exaggeration, the very core of authoritarian-totalitarian logic and self-justification. Were the government indeed to ignore and override the constitutional legal authority of Parliament in this matter, willy nilly, it would have left democracy behind and launched itself into precisely such an authoritarian-totalitarian course: "we will do as we wish because we have the police and the army and the monopoly of all the powers of coercion - might makes right." As critical as I have been of Harper, it honestly never occurred to me that the Government would be willing to assume such an out and out revolutionary-reactionary position. A party mind you, that calls itself "conservative" and purports to maintain some connection to Canada's Tory roots.
At this moment of writing, I cannot yet believe that the Government will indeed proceed down such a fateful path. From undermining parliamentary democracy every day in every way to actually out and out overthrowing it? Those wets who said that the constitutional law profs were wrong, and wrong to criticise the masses for their ignorance, created a circular logic: because many people are "wisely ignorant", they perceive the legitimate workings of parliamentary democracy as illegitimate, and those "wise ignoramuses" being sufficient in number to have conclusive political weight, those workings are therefore illegitimate, and the executive's hitherto illegitimate actions become legitimised, and parliamentary democracy becomes illegitimate, reinforcing the correctness and wisdom of the people's "wise ignorance". And thus this circular reasoning may well soon be boiled down down to and exposed as the simple authoritarianist logic it is: might makes right.
There is a moment that every democracy that has tipped into authoritarianism has known, often, even usually, undervalued at the time, when the executive declared itself no longer subject to the law, in both its narrowest and broadest senses. Last December's Prorogation, since there was an outside arbiter, just barely missed being that moment, despite the disproportion of the PM's position as sole constitutional advisor to the Crown. The Crown could still have chosen to ignore the PM's advice. But in this case, if the Conservative Government places itself above the law, our most fundamental law, the most fundamental law of parliamentary democracies the world over, then that could well prove in retrospect the moment when we passed, for a few months or years at least, from democracy into authoritarianism. A minor, soft, comfortable authoritarianism, with a Potemkin democracy, but authoritarianism none the less.
We see where the wet input-output perversity has led us, to a situation where the public's ignorance is all the justification needed for the overthrow of parliamentary democracy, since the Conservative Government would hope that its effective coup d'état would be beyond the understanding of a good plurality of Canadians, "their" plurality. Therefore, faced with a weak opposition, they would dare the opposition to try to stop their coup through an election, knowing that under our electoral system and given their strong plurality, and given their demonstrable willingness to break electoral law to their advantage, it would be highly improbable they would lose enough seats to lose their plurality. As the outgoing Government, and holding said plurality, they would be invited to form the government. And we're back to square one. If parliament continually orders them to produce documents, the most legal and constitutional act there is, the very basis of Magna Carta and everything since, the two English Revolutions, the Upper & Lower Canadian Rebellions, Lafontaine-Baldwin's democratic revolution, etc., and they continually refuse, daring the opposition to provoke an election they will win given the rules, their breaking of them, and the lumpenpublic plurality behind them, then the institutions of parliamentary democracy, that is to say, democracy, have become null and void. Unless, of course, the Opposition, assuming they still form a majority of members of the House, form a government of some nature.
Given the issues at play here, I mean, we are talking about the very matrix of our system, its deepest, darkest, oldest magic, I strongly urge the Government to follow the example of every government since the Glorious Revolution, and recognise and submit to parliamentary supremacy, ie. democracy. If they defy Parliament, the Opposition must first pressure them by using every means, popular revolt, demonstrations, parliamentary revolt (let the bells ring, occupy the Chamber), everything imaginable. All democrats of good faith, particularly the Fourth Estate, must defend democracy and pressure the government - this slip into authoritarianism affects all citizens profoundly, but none more than journalists. Should the Government continue to defy Parliament, then there will need to be an election, despite all the handicaps on the opposition. They should run a coordinated campaign on this very issue of democracy. One issue, all campaign, should manage to educate a good majority of Canadians of what's at stake, and I assume that the Fourth Estate would be, for reasons of both idealism and self-protection, vigourous in this education. Should the Conservatives win a plurality, which despite all that had been done, would remain the probability, the Opposition must form the Government, whatever its nature. When a pyromaniac is intent on burning down one's house, and in the act, one has to both stop the fire and stop the pyromaniac. Fulfilling only one of these two conditions would ensure the burning of one's house, now or later.
I cannot stress enough the seriousness of the government's possible course that I have just read. I sincerely hope this is unfounded rumour, and if not, the Government comes to its senses and retreats from the path of authoritarianism, not a claim I make lightly. But if not, and I can't believe that this could be, but all the same, if not, then the Conservatives will have declared war on Canadian democracy, no less. If so, then democrats will have to declare war on the Conservatives. Parliament must not bow its knee to the Executive. Canadian democracy is parliamentary democracy and parliamentary democracy is null and void without parliamentary supremacy, a point Walsh, the Law Clerk, made most clear. The Executive, ie. the Government, must submit. If it won't, then it must, MUST, be made to submit. Depending on just how far the Conservatives are ready to go, should they indeed pursue such a dangerous course, which I can't credit, then there may even come a point when the GG or the Queen herself, as guarantor of our institutions, may have to intervene. It is that serious.
First, let's hope the authoritarian path is unfounded speculation and the Government will do as the House requires. Second, if the Government is indeed considering such an awful path, then they must reconsider or be made to reconsider, through every available means. Third, if they won't reconsider, and indeed pursue authoritarianism, then all democrats must rally for democracy and oppose and pressure them in every possible way, forcing them to renounce this course and submit to parliament. Fourth, if that fails, then assuming the Cons will still respect the outward forms, an election must be forced, with only one issue, democracy versus authoritarianism. The fundamental nature of the question is such that the Opposition must coordinate its efforts in the most useful way, given our system - this argues against single opposition candidates in ridings, given 2nd preferences of incoherent electorate, but in favour of coordinated campaign strategy, tactics & rhetoric. Fifth, should the election, as is probable given our current broken system, return the Conservatives with a minority plurality, the Opposition must use its majority to form the government, however that's done and in whatever form, and reaffirm parliamentary supremacy, ie. reestablish parliamentary democracy, that is to say, democracy.
I have only recently defended the Cons from what I considered excessive comparisons to one totalitarianism. I cannot credit that they have indeed become such, or are even considering following that path. It would be the most perverse betrayal of Canadian conservatism. From Loyalists to this? Surely not. If any are so misguided as to even consider such a danger, I urge them to reflect well on the traditions of Canadian conservatism and reconsider. But in the still unlikely case, to me, at least, that they indeed pursue an authoritarian logic, they would be declaring war on Canadian democracy, and all democrats would be obliged to make war against them. I urge them not to. But should they, democrats must be as coherent and harsh in response as needed to defend Canadian democracy. Some, like the FLQ, attack democracy from without and are treated accordingly. Should the Cons follow the path of authoritarianism, they would be destroying democracy from within, and would need to be dealt with as harshly. Don't do it Cons, it would be a disaster for everyone and your names would live in infamy. Do the right, normal & established thing, respect our most basic law, and submit to Parliament. Since the advent of responsible government in 1848, no self-described conservative government has ever done otherwise.
I say Stalinist knowingly, and I always try to weigh my words, because frankly, after all the fuss about China and false comparisons to Canada, there is no other way to describe the justification potentially used by a government which relies on de facto brute force overwhelming the law, in both its narrowest & broadest senses. There is no other way to describe this other than, without exaggeration, the very core of authoritarian-totalitarian logic and self-justification. Were the government indeed to ignore and override the constitutional legal authority of Parliament in this matter, willy nilly, it would have left democracy behind and launched itself into precisely such an authoritarian-totalitarian course: "we will do as we wish because we have the police and the army and the monopoly of all the powers of coercion - might makes right." As critical as I have been of Harper, it honestly never occurred to me that the Government would be willing to assume such an out and out revolutionary-reactionary position. A party mind you, that calls itself "conservative" and purports to maintain some connection to Canada's Tory roots.
At this moment of writing, I cannot yet believe that the Government will indeed proceed down such a fateful path. From undermining parliamentary democracy every day in every way to actually out and out overthrowing it? Those wets who said that the constitutional law profs were wrong, and wrong to criticise the masses for their ignorance, created a circular logic: because many people are "wisely ignorant", they perceive the legitimate workings of parliamentary democracy as illegitimate, and those "wise ignoramuses" being sufficient in number to have conclusive political weight, those workings are therefore illegitimate, and the executive's hitherto illegitimate actions become legitimised, and parliamentary democracy becomes illegitimate, reinforcing the correctness and wisdom of the people's "wise ignorance". And thus this circular reasoning may well soon be boiled down down to and exposed as the simple authoritarianist logic it is: might makes right.
There is a moment that every democracy that has tipped into authoritarianism has known, often, even usually, undervalued at the time, when the executive declared itself no longer subject to the law, in both its narrowest and broadest senses. Last December's Prorogation, since there was an outside arbiter, just barely missed being that moment, despite the disproportion of the PM's position as sole constitutional advisor to the Crown. The Crown could still have chosen to ignore the PM's advice. But in this case, if the Conservative Government places itself above the law, our most fundamental law, the most fundamental law of parliamentary democracies the world over, then that could well prove in retrospect the moment when we passed, for a few months or years at least, from democracy into authoritarianism. A minor, soft, comfortable authoritarianism, with a Potemkin democracy, but authoritarianism none the less.
We see where the wet input-output perversity has led us, to a situation where the public's ignorance is all the justification needed for the overthrow of parliamentary democracy, since the Conservative Government would hope that its effective coup d'état would be beyond the understanding of a good plurality of Canadians, "their" plurality. Therefore, faced with a weak opposition, they would dare the opposition to try to stop their coup through an election, knowing that under our electoral system and given their strong plurality, and given their demonstrable willingness to break electoral law to their advantage, it would be highly improbable they would lose enough seats to lose their plurality. As the outgoing Government, and holding said plurality, they would be invited to form the government. And we're back to square one. If parliament continually orders them to produce documents, the most legal and constitutional act there is, the very basis of Magna Carta and everything since, the two English Revolutions, the Upper & Lower Canadian Rebellions, Lafontaine-Baldwin's democratic revolution, etc., and they continually refuse, daring the opposition to provoke an election they will win given the rules, their breaking of them, and the lumpenpublic plurality behind them, then the institutions of parliamentary democracy, that is to say, democracy, have become null and void. Unless, of course, the Opposition, assuming they still form a majority of members of the House, form a government of some nature.
Given the issues at play here, I mean, we are talking about the very matrix of our system, its deepest, darkest, oldest magic, I strongly urge the Government to follow the example of every government since the Glorious Revolution, and recognise and submit to parliamentary supremacy, ie. democracy. If they defy Parliament, the Opposition must first pressure them by using every means, popular revolt, demonstrations, parliamentary revolt (let the bells ring, occupy the Chamber), everything imaginable. All democrats of good faith, particularly the Fourth Estate, must defend democracy and pressure the government - this slip into authoritarianism affects all citizens profoundly, but none more than journalists. Should the Government continue to defy Parliament, then there will need to be an election, despite all the handicaps on the opposition. They should run a coordinated campaign on this very issue of democracy. One issue, all campaign, should manage to educate a good majority of Canadians of what's at stake, and I assume that the Fourth Estate would be, for reasons of both idealism and self-protection, vigourous in this education. Should the Conservatives win a plurality, which despite all that had been done, would remain the probability, the Opposition must form the Government, whatever its nature. When a pyromaniac is intent on burning down one's house, and in the act, one has to both stop the fire and stop the pyromaniac. Fulfilling only one of these two conditions would ensure the burning of one's house, now or later.
I cannot stress enough the seriousness of the government's possible course that I have just read. I sincerely hope this is unfounded rumour, and if not, the Government comes to its senses and retreats from the path of authoritarianism, not a claim I make lightly. But if not, and I can't believe that this could be, but all the same, if not, then the Conservatives will have declared war on Canadian democracy, no less. If so, then democrats will have to declare war on the Conservatives. Parliament must not bow its knee to the Executive. Canadian democracy is parliamentary democracy and parliamentary democracy is null and void without parliamentary supremacy, a point Walsh, the Law Clerk, made most clear. The Executive, ie. the Government, must submit. If it won't, then it must, MUST, be made to submit. Depending on just how far the Conservatives are ready to go, should they indeed pursue such a dangerous course, which I can't credit, then there may even come a point when the GG or the Queen herself, as guarantor of our institutions, may have to intervene. It is that serious.
First, let's hope the authoritarian path is unfounded speculation and the Government will do as the House requires. Second, if the Government is indeed considering such an awful path, then they must reconsider or be made to reconsider, through every available means. Third, if they won't reconsider, and indeed pursue authoritarianism, then all democrats must rally for democracy and oppose and pressure them in every possible way, forcing them to renounce this course and submit to parliament. Fourth, if that fails, then assuming the Cons will still respect the outward forms, an election must be forced, with only one issue, democracy versus authoritarianism. The fundamental nature of the question is such that the Opposition must coordinate its efforts in the most useful way, given our system - this argues against single opposition candidates in ridings, given 2nd preferences of incoherent electorate, but in favour of coordinated campaign strategy, tactics & rhetoric. Fifth, should the election, as is probable given our current broken system, return the Conservatives with a minority plurality, the Opposition must use its majority to form the government, however that's done and in whatever form, and reaffirm parliamentary supremacy, ie. reestablish parliamentary democracy, that is to say, democracy.
I have only recently defended the Cons from what I considered excessive comparisons to one totalitarianism. I cannot credit that they have indeed become such, or are even considering following that path. It would be the most perverse betrayal of Canadian conservatism. From Loyalists to this? Surely not. If any are so misguided as to even consider such a danger, I urge them to reflect well on the traditions of Canadian conservatism and reconsider. But in the still unlikely case, to me, at least, that they indeed pursue an authoritarian logic, they would be declaring war on Canadian democracy, and all democrats would be obliged to make war against them. I urge them not to. But should they, democrats must be as coherent and harsh in response as needed to defend Canadian democracy. Some, like the FLQ, attack democracy from without and are treated accordingly. Should the Cons follow the path of authoritarianism, they would be destroying democracy from within, and would need to be dealt with as harshly. Don't do it Cons, it would be a disaster for everyone and your names would live in infamy. Do the right, normal & established thing, respect our most basic law, and submit to Parliament. Since the advent of responsible government in 1848, no self-described conservative government has ever done otherwise.
Iggy Done Good On Detainee Issue
Iggy has done well in QP, in debate, in scrums and OLO strategy & tactics have been better than usual on detainee issue. Doesn't change anything about anything I've ever said about the man and his suitability for his position, but credit where it's due. He's done well, so far. Given all my criticism of him, would be wrong not to give props when deserved.
Finally!
Well Done Libs & Opposition. Finally using your parliamentary power properly. Make sure to get all necessary documents, including Defence & PCO. But list looks good. Check it twice, though.
Wednesday, December 09, 2009
Gerard & Rae=Two Sides of Same Coin & Best 1-2 Punch
I've mentioned Kennedy & Rae on more than a few occasions this session on one matter or another. Opinion is divided, some, like Hébert rate Kennedy as the best rookie or best Opposition MP overall, others, like Walkom, say it's Rae. But it's clear they are the flip sides of the same coin, a great 1-2 punch, dividing up the two necessary themes, incompetence & malice, and areas, internal & external. Kennedy's criticism has been that the government is incompetent at managing stimulus and economy to the point that it raises questions of malice, and Rae's criticism has been that the Govt seems to be behaving maliciously on foreign affairs, which works against Canadian interests and raises questions of incompetence. Kennedy, pushed to backbenches, took an unfashionable critic position and made it into the most effective club against government for most of session by dint of research, smarts, hard work and experience (see below): he's been in politics a while folks. Rae of course has been in politics forever and can speak well on any and everything which is perfect in the wideranging foreign affairs job, and like Kennedy, he knows how important it is to not just be serious but to appear to be serious, while also able to put on a show, if needed.
Kennedy: Incompetence = malice. Rae: Malice = incompetence. Incompetence & malice, inside (socio-economic) and out (external). The two themes that need to be hammered into public, over and over. A winning combination.
Hébert translated: "Sent to the backbenches for having twice backed the wrong candidate in leadership races, the Toronto Liberal MP Gerard Kennedy wins the prize for most underused Opposition MP, all parties included. The former Ontario minister apprenticed in the opposition at Queen's Park and it shows. He subscribes to the idea that an MP can best score points by doing actual research rather than simply repeating newspaper headlines. It's a concept that distinguishes him from the majority of his Opposition colleagues."
Kennedy: Incompetence = malice. Rae: Malice = incompetence. Incompetence & malice, inside (socio-economic) and out (external). The two themes that need to be hammered into public, over and over. A winning combination.
Hébert translated: "Sent to the backbenches for having twice backed the wrong candidate in leadership races, the Toronto Liberal MP Gerard Kennedy wins the prize for most underused Opposition MP, all parties included. The former Ontario minister apprenticed in the opposition at Queen's Park and it shows. He subscribes to the idea that an MP can best score points by doing actual research rather than simply repeating newspaper headlines. It's a concept that distinguishes him from the majority of his Opposition colleagues."
CBC, Niemöller & Username
Last week, I wrote a comment telling the CBC that the title of an otherwise good story was poorly chosen, insulting & disproportionate, and should be changed, and a brief note of apology should accompany the change (I'm a fierce critic of Harper but I don't think he's equivalent to Nazis, nor journalists suffering like Nazi victims, and thus misusing his poem against quietism is very wrong). I have been doing other things so I just checked and found my comment hadn't been posted, no change had been made, and the CBC had sent me a note temporarily deactivating my CBC account since my username, EFLiberal, was against their guidelines for foul language?! Which part, the E, F, or Liberal I wonder? Anyway, I have tried registering another username, EForseyLib, and we'll see if that is also randomly rejected for being too rude. My comment was clean but pointed, similar to the note in brackets above. Having known the CBC & CBCers a bit, I felt I should just make a brief helpful note of this snafu in the program that runs their comments (or perhaps there is an actual administrator?) so as to avoid the possibility of thinking that they might be so sensitive about the error in judgement that led to such a title that they might have sought to reject any critical comment on it. The CBC, sensitive about misplaced anti-government hyperbole that compares the Cons to Nazis? Perish the thought. I look forward to the approval of my new username and the chance to make them aware of this error in judgement so they might correct it since I obviously can't count on the off-chance of CBCers reading this humble blog.
NDP Betrays Colvin, Opposition & All Folk Of Good Faith
Filibustering & shutting down Afghan Committee after four questions, on day facts catch up to Govt AND Committee has chance to questioning ministers, so even your own critic can't question ministers, is incompetence of the highest order. It is a betrayal of tortured Afghans & Canadian soldiers & public servants. To put your own petty, doomed, unnoticed, pointless & wrongheaded drama queen hijinks ahead of the nation's most serious public interest is despicable. Don't even try to spin as Govt's fault for invoking closure: of course they were going to and you wanted them to, that's the whole point - "Oh Oh they cut off debate, etc.". We all know this game. NDP have been on the other side in provincial government many times. To be so incompetent and so obsessed with gameplaying to the point you cut off Committee questioning of ministers on a major revelation day is beyond belief. I have praised all the Opposition on their handling of this issue, including NDP, but today the NDP really let down all the Opposition, Colvin, military, public servants and all people of good faith. Disgusting. Who "coordinated" this, Davies, Layton's office, Layton himself, who? Speaking of accountability, there should be some for and among the NDP. Unless of course Layton is feeling so threatened by Dewar he doesn't want him getting the limelight and wanted to prevent Dewar's primetime questioning of ministers. If I were Dewar & Harris, I'd be spitting mad. Ridiculous. And now the Committee is on break for six weeks! So we can't bring ministers back for six weeks! And the ministers were clearly unsettled by Natynczyk's morning statement and off their game: today was the ideal day for lengthy detailed questioning. But the NDP were so obsessed with their vapid pointscoring they played into Govt hands, pulled "fire bell" and gave Govt six weeks to try to bury story and fix the facts.
I am furious with NDP. There are some good serious members, like Comartin, Dewar & Harris, but the vast majority are vapid Layton Drama Queens, like Martin, Davies, Mulcair & Wasylycia-Leis. Can you imagine a Blaikie-led NDP behaving this incompetently/badly? Or any NDP caucus before Layton? This Layton NDP really is a disgrace. I'd hate to think young Canadians might grow up believing they are representative of social-democrats. They are not. What a bunch of incompetent, petty tossers. Their own hijinks, which were obviously doomed to failure, which was the point, on the wrong side of an issue (go check European social democrat view of value added taxes, their proper rates and administration), were more important to them than questioning the ministers responsible for Canada's complicity in torture?! It's pretty incredible to realise the NDP have given the Liberal OLO an out on Iggy & torture: whatever Iggy wrote while Opposition Leader, the LPC played torture responsibly and properly, and the NDP saw it as less important than their self-obsessed, self-indulgent voguing. Only the Layton NDP could find a way to make the NDP less credible on torture question than Iggy-led LPC. Incompetent, self-defeating tools.
I am furious with NDP. There are some good serious members, like Comartin, Dewar & Harris, but the vast majority are vapid Layton Drama Queens, like Martin, Davies, Mulcair & Wasylycia-Leis. Can you imagine a Blaikie-led NDP behaving this incompetently/badly? Or any NDP caucus before Layton? This Layton NDP really is a disgrace. I'd hate to think young Canadians might grow up believing they are representative of social-democrats. They are not. What a bunch of incompetent, petty tossers. Their own hijinks, which were obviously doomed to failure, which was the point, on the wrong side of an issue (go check European social democrat view of value added taxes, their proper rates and administration), were more important to them than questioning the ministers responsible for Canada's complicity in torture?! It's pretty incredible to realise the NDP have given the Liberal OLO an out on Iggy & torture: whatever Iggy wrote while Opposition Leader, the LPC played torture responsibly and properly, and the NDP saw it as less important than their self-obsessed, self-indulgent voguing. Only the Layton NDP could find a way to make the NDP less credible on torture question than Iggy-led LPC. Incompetent, self-defeating tools.



