Eugene Forsey Liberal

Wednesday, November 25, 2009

Credibility

Who's more credible, the DFAIT officer who was forced to give testimony at MPCC and committee (not a "whistleblower", technically) and spoke clearly and logically, without extraneous comment, or the three buddies who spent half their testimony praising themselves and their institution. Take their extraneous words and imagine if Colvin had said them: "greatest foreign affairs department in the world, full of brave, smart foreign service officers, etc.etc." He could have: DFAIT's still got a better relative global rating among foreign offices than DND does among militaries. From 1944-1980/90s, DFAIT was considered the best foreign office in the world, hitting way above its weight. But that's all irrelevant. What matters are the facts. What are they? Well, the army-friendly, in camera, MPCC's investigation is seen as so dangerous the Govt has effectively shut it down. Colvin's memos have drastically different interpretations, apparently. An Al-Mashat/Shortliffe type miscommunication? We shall see. But how is it two civilians like Hillier & Gauthier have access to Colvin's unredacted memos and no-one else does? Gee, I wonder if there isn't some rule or something about letting civilians look at apparently top-secret information before committee meetings no-one else gets to see? I wonder. And I wonder when the Opposition will grow a pair and take these abuses head on. Mulroney & the Government gets to dictate when and how he testifies? Crikey! Finally, Opposition, you have the majority on the committee, you have parliamentary supremacy, don't be so chicken. You want names? Oblige Colvin, generals, etc., to tell you. They have to if you make them. And as far as getting the documents post-haste, the clerk may claim "request" is enough, and it may be, but one usually stipulates "requests & requires". I predict the government is going to claim the language isn't enough as stands. BS, of course, but a stronger initial motion would have avoided the ambiguity and subsequent fight and delay. If you want committees to be treated as grown-ups you have to behave as such, and not be so cowed and fearful. You represent us. Don't be chicken. We're not.

8 Comments:

  • At 8:40 PM, Blogger wilson said…

    ''..But how is it two civilians like Hillier & Gauthier have access to Colvin's unredacted memos and no-one else does?..''

    How is it CBC has some of Colvin's documents on their website and no one else does?

    The 3 Generals made mincemeat of Colvin, the Opps and the media.
    fools

     
  • At 9:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Yes, because we all aspire to live in a country where military leaders make "mincemeat" of anyone who questions them.

    There are indeed fools among us.

     
  • At 10:28 PM, Blogger Gayle said…

    wilson

    Remember when you were saying that Canadians would not care about the torture allegations?

    Maybe you should not count your chickens. You are hardly an objective observer, and you have been proven to be a poor judge of the national mood.

    And yet the question remains - if all this was above board, why, oh why, has the government refused to release the documents?

     
  • At 10:32 PM, Blogger PhD Misdemeanours said…

    **Updated Nov 25** with copies of letters from Privacy Commissioner of Canada
    and an audio.

    Suppressed Medical Records (File 5100-13465/001)

    St. Catharines, Ontario

    - Privacy Commissioner of Canada (Sect. 25,26,28)

    - C.M.H.A / C.A.M.H. - Brock University

    Further details Google:

    Medicine_Gone_Bad

    Medicine Gone Bad Blogspot

    or

    http://medicine-gone-bad.blogspot.com/

     
  • At 11:05 PM, Blogger CanadianSense said…

    Like most fake scandals the government allow the opposition enough ROPE to hang themselves.

    Was it fair to for MP and MSM to repeat allegations suggesting NATO has committed WAR Crimes without 'conclusive proof'?

    This latest knee-jerk reaction will cost a few more points for the opposition who get blamed.

    I am no longer shocked watching the Liberals shoot themselves in the face anymore.

    The torture fundraiser was brilliant angle -kudos!

     
  • At 11:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Both Hillier and Gauthier himself admitted that Colvin spoke the truth when he said that Gauthier was a pain in the ass (looking at both of them this afternoon, I find that believable myself, LOL). More to the point, this establishes that Colvin is believable.

    Let us look at their possible motivations. Why would Colvin lie about the torture and end his own career? Not likely, unless he is crazy or something (didn't see that from his appearance last week). The Generals, on the other hand, have a possible motivation to bend the truth because their asses are on the line.

    It is simply outrageous that the retired Generals have been allowed to read Colvin's memos but no opposition member on the committee has received any of the memos/reports despite repeated requests. I am surprised that they relented and will allow Mulroney without the documents.

     
  • At 3:45 AM, Blogger lyrical said…

    For more news on Afghanistan, read SkyReporter.

     
  • At 7:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Amazing isn't it? We are not to question anyone in uniform in this country - military, police, fire fighters - because they wear a uniform.

    We know RCMP have had their trouble, that not all police are honest and I'm sure there's a nasty firefighter out there somewhere - Canada needs to grow up and quit accepting that anyone in uniform is beyond reproach. They are human beings FIRST, with different cloths on.

    This smells and it smells bad.

    Lyn

     

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