Eugene Forsey Liberal

Monday, November 23, 2009

Torture: Good Job Opposition, Bloggers Must Do Better

Excellent QP & after by Liberals, and good opening questions by Bloc & NDP*. Try to control noise and heckling. I know it's hard to listen to Con nonsense. But you do your case no favours by playing into their hands with noise. Keep on message, stay serious. As for bloggers, too many are getting off-topic and playing silly political games that can only divide party supporters and confuse the point. Show some self-control, if you truly care about Afghan & Canadian lives, human rights and the honour of Canada, not to mention an independent, effective judiciary and public service. Focus on this, and don't get distracted.

*Though if NDP really does care about torture and Canadian and Afghan lives, should concentrate on Cons and not waste time with swipes on Iggy - there will be time enough for that. Anyone who reads me knows my long-established views on him. But what is more important right now, stopping a cover-up of collusion in torture and all that implies, or point-scoring? Let them use their time more wisely, for Canada's good. Ask yourselves, what would Bill Blaikie do? (Or Douglas, Knowles, et.al.?) And though I dislike such considerations, politically, focussed fire on the Cons will pay off handsomely enough for all - given the NDP's long-established positions, they should be secure in their situation.

6 Comments:

  • At 3:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    " As for bloggers, too many are getting off-topic and playing silly political games that can only divide party supporters and confuse the point. "


    Thats a joke right, coming from you? Holly molly.

     
  • At 3:20 PM, Blogger Eugene Forsey Liberal said…

    The most fundamental issues about our democracy and our standards, and the lives of Canadians and Afghans, are involved here. This is not like other things. This is as serious as it gets, and it goes to the very core, the very highest levels of our government. I hope you soon appreciate that exceptional situations demand exceptional conduct.

     
  • At 3:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Give me a break, do you really believe things would be better under the Liberals? The only difference would be that instead of pretending they don't know about the torture Ignatieff would be justifying it. I don't mean that as a cheap shot. We know Ignatieff's fundamental values on this issue and he's at least as bad as the Conservatives. On this particular issue, the Liberals have ZERO credibility.

     
  • At 4:40 PM, Anonymous Kingston Liberal said…

    Why do you care so much about people who set off road side bombs and commit suicide bombings? You want to be on the side of the Taliban, go ahead.

    I don't want to call my troops "war criminals" because they are doing their jobs and turning these people over to their government. What they do with them is none of my business.

    I am ashamed to be a Liberal when I see stuff like this.

     
  • At 4:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    If we are exporting Democracy to these nations then we must abide by the rule of law including the law of warfare.

    This has nothing to do with condoning Taleban activity. It has to do with the treatment of war prisoners. It's the same thing as when we don't send a criminal back to their home nation if we feel they will face the death penalty.

    Imagine how you'd want Cdn detainees to be treated. You may say "You expect the Taleban to treat them better?"...the point is we are handling Taleban over to the Afghan Army whom we expect to be better than this.

    And FYI, many of the detainees were not even Taleban but innocent Afghans in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    May such a situation never befall any of you.

     
  • At 10:21 PM, Blogger Ian said…

    So the troops are "just following orders" Kingston Liberal? I've heard that excuse before... Nevertheless, even if you buy that then someone in command knew what was going on and needs to lose their job. If it goes to the top so be it.

    As for swipes at Ignatieff: totally valid. I don't see how it should be taboo to criticize any party that would have done the same. It was the Liberals who got us into Afghanistan and were in charge when many of these issues began to formulate - the Harpercons merely perpetuated the blissful ignorance.

    And this from someone who has an anti-NDP ad on the side column. Hypocrite.

     

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