Eugene Forsey Liberal

Monday, August 02, 2010

Bob Rae Is Off His Effing Rocker re. Afghanistan

Is it not a sign of a deteriorating mind, or sanity, to write such contradictory statements in such proximity within an essay? Shorter Rae: "Vietnam was an misguided ideological imperial war fought for trumped up existential reasons, and we shouldn't do that, and so in Afghanistan..."the West can’t afford to lose." WTF?
Rae Off His Rocker
Is this not just another Vietnam? Those in that war who insisted on the justness of the cause warned that the entire South Asian neighbourhood would be infected with communism if American troops were withdrawn, falling like so many dominoes. They were wrong. Why listen to the same siren song now?

Thoughtful engagement with the world requires that we gauge the costs and consequences of intervention, that the rhetoric be lowered, and that we abandon any notion that ours is a sacred mission similar to imperial ventures of the past.

But it equally requires an understanding of the deep instability in many parts of the globe, including Afghanistan, and that this instability — and the hatreds associated with it — pose a risk not only to people in a region but to us. This is where the Vietnam analogy breaks down: the West can’t afford to lose.
WTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12 Comments:

  • At 11:27 AM, Anonymous JDevereaux said…

    Take off your pink tinted glasses and read that shit again.

     
  • At 12:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Choosing the next liberal leader is becoming increasingly difficult.

    Looks like Canadian politics is entering a period where the political parasites have abandoned all pretense of even caring what Canadians want.

    With Iggy's irrelevant policies, incompetent leadership and an ever shrinking pool of replacements for the silver-spooned-one, I'm almost glad Harper will win another the next election. At this point the LPC is so full of corporate loons, and dangerous warhawks we need to lose badly so we clean house.

    A Laughing liberal

     
  • At 12:41 PM, Blogger thescottross.blogspot.com said…

    Rae's argument is that Afghanistan is not like Vietnam because if we fail in Afghanistan it will become more unstable and we will be in more danger. This is compared to the west failing in Vietnam and it actually becoming more stable and world security did not decrease.

    Bob Rae is wrong and I think he knows it. His piece contains some intelligent references but the obvious logical errors make me think he's just touting party line.

    Rae says, "[The Taliban] are betting on a speedy departure." This is of course contrasted with the fact that we've been there for ten years, the longest war western forces have fought in over a 100 years, and as such I don't think any rational person would even suggest leaving now would be a speedy departure.

    The most obvious logical error Rae makes is that he says Canada needs debate, well if that is true, wouldn't the discussion of withdrawal be included? Or will the Liberal Party and the Conservatives narrow the frame of debate to only include should we stay and fight or should we stay, help, and defend ourselves militarily?

     
  • At 1:08 PM, Blogger thwap said…

    If they really cared they would simply inform Karzai and the other drug-dealers that their continued survival depends on cleaning up their act.

    The USA foots the bill for the government's survival and all the graft that enriches them personally.

    If the USA and Canada genuinely cared about the country they would use their muscle.

    instead they show they don't care about the Afghan people or their own soldiers by allowing this unpopular, unelected, gang of thieves and pedophiles to enflame the Pashtun people and prolong the war.

     
  • At 5:15 PM, Blogger Kirbycairo said…

    That is indeed bizarre. I understand that one can compare Afghanistan and Vietnam as neo-imperialist ventures. But it seems strange what Rae is saying here since the same lessons could be applied to Afghanistan as Vietnam - ie. that the reasons for the war are simple spin in an effort to conciliate Western power in the region, and that threat of so-called Muslim fundamentalism is as much a creation of Western imperialist policies as it is of any actual ideology on the part of certain Muslims. Thus if one made the kinds of assumptions that Rae seems to make about Vietnam wouldn't he make the same kinds of assumptions here, in which case winning the 'battle' against Islamic fundamentalism would mean abandoning the 'war' in Afghanistan and changing our whole attitude toward the people and the region, particularly in Palestine?

    There seems to be some cognitive dissonance on Rae's part here.

     
  • At 6:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Sorry. the Afhganisnam war was lost the day President George Cheney buggered off to steal oil in Iraq, leaving NATO holding the bag.
    Foottothefire

     
  • At 9:15 PM, Blogger Kirbycairo said…

    The West lost the war in Afghanistan the day that they started the war in Afghanistan. This is two for a number of reasons. One is that the so-called Taliban training camps that the West used to justify the initial invasion were all in Pakistan. Another reason is that you simply cannot win the war against Islamic fundamentalism with guns. Guns only bring more people to the cause. And then, of course, there is the proverbial 'history has proven that you just can't win a war in Afghanistan.'

     
  • At 10:14 PM, Blogger wilson said…

    PMSH extended this mission twice, with debate.
    No need for debate now.
    Our military is out in 2011,
    any civilian operations in Afghanistan is soley the decision of the government of the day.

     
  • At 10:28 PM, Blogger Eugene Forsey Liberal said…

    Good comments.

     
  • At 12:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Bob Rae can go fly a kite!
    Oh, wait.

    Anon Deux

     
  • At 5:27 AM, Blogger Eugene Forsey Liberal said…

    AD, link appreciated.

     
  • At 5:27 AM, Blogger Eugene Forsey Liberal said…

    AD, link appreciated.

     

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