Eugene Forsey Liberal

Thursday, June 24, 2010

Perhaps Fadden is Desperate to Force Compromised Political Parties to Change

EFL is no great uncritical fan of CSIS, unlike many. But perhaps when the CSIS Director, whom one assumes is a rational and mostly serious man (though often wrongheaded), says such a thing, it's because he is very very worried that ALL political parties, given their need to cultivate politically sensitive communities, are unwilling to come to grips, seriously, with the problem and the threat posed. It is quite remarkable that political leaders from every possible part of the spectrum have leapt to his attack and denounced the apparently unfair implications. Is it wrong to note, as Fowler did, differently, as Fadden did, that an awful lot of very motivated and influential people seem to often place other countries' national interests above those of Canada? Fadden noted that China was not the only problem, that some Middle Eastern countries were problems too. Perhaps some Canadians have heard of Jonathan Pollard? And he was and is not alone, nor are others from neighbouring countries, etc.. And this is not a problem limited to two regions of the world. Indeed, one recurring theme of Canadian history is a certain significant minority of Canadians seeming to place the UK/French/American national interests above that of Canada, as Harper did quite explicitly and unprecedentedly in opposition.

So perhaps, just perhaps, Fadden's behaviour, seemingly bad and wrong, wasn't as irrational and stupid as it seems to many. Perhaps he expected the repercussions. But perhaps he takes his job seriously, is a patriot, and thought that it was a worthwhile risk, given the seriousness of the situation. I am sure the Canada China Business Council types, and the Canada Israel Committee types, and the Canada-Jordan types, and the Canadian American Business Council types, and others, dislike investigations into their use as witting or unwitting tools of foreign governments, as do their likeminded supporters. But it is odd, isn't it, that dual citizenship with France was such a generally accepted topic for debate when it was a question of the GG or Leader of the Official Opposition, but when other countries are touched, all parties react so sharply. Almost as if this is a discussion they want to shut down asap, and discourage, even preclude, any further such investigation. And why if you were the guy in charge of such investigations, a proud Canadian playing things straight, you may feel something has to be done to change a pattern of general, perhaps unthinking, collusion to shut down investigation and debate about foreign influences. Everyone's happy to pick on the Tamils, or Arabs, or Jews for some, but Indians? Chinese? Americans? These are not things the Canadians political class wants to talk about, or have talked about. I wonder why.

4 Comments:

  • At 7:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Good point / reminder about how folks were q'ing Dion & the GG & her hubby over dual ctznship/loyalties. But to be fair, a lot of the crit. isn't so much on the idea of foreign influence on sr. decision-makers & bureaucrats, it's both the half-assed way the idea was communicated -- in a vague, McCarthy-ish fashion (he should sh_t or get off the pot: either name names or zip it until the investigations came to their ultimate concl.) that has cast suspicion on all hyphenated-Cndn pol's & got rednecks all over the country fingering people -- and of course also the bone-headed timing of it, on the eve of the summit.

     
  • At 7:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Or perhaps he just stepped all in it.

    I can't believe you're defending someone using vague innuendo to cast doubt on individuals.

    Either come forward with credible information and specific accusations or keep your mouth shut if investigations are actually occurring.

    But what was done in that interview is unacceptable. A weak McCarthyism, but just as unacceptable.

     
  • At 1:02 AM, Blogger Eugene Forsey Liberal said…

    I am opposed to McCarthyism, but I don't think that is what is happening here. He's not saying everyone, everywhere is infiltrated, that there's a spy under every bed. But it's a serious problem, and not taken seriously enough. And since he, like most, is always so vague for precisely the reasons noted, this time he gave some idea of the gravity. Between "we have general concerns about activities" and "x, y, and z is a spy" (which is awfully hard to prove according to rules of evidence, even though one may be convinced it is so), there is a huge gap. The first never seems to wake anyone up. The second can only be stated if one has a watertight case and is willing to make arrests or end ongoing monitoring, which may be more useful.

    So he tried to wake everyone up, by giving a better idea. You may think he was wrong to do so (I don't), or that he should have been more circumspect (I agree - except how, if one wants to convey importance? The gap between generalities and specifics is huge, otherwise).

    Does anyone else remember Zaccardelli and the RCMP annual reports using almost exactly the same language to describe Canada's number one security problem (still is, much more than terrorism), organised crime and how it has infested our institutions and was(is?) threatening our État de droit? I don't remember anyone complaining about the language then. Why is OK to say that organised crime has compromised public administrations at the highest levels, but not OK to say foreign governments have?

    As for timing, I would say the G-20 and G-8 are the perfect time.

    As for giving comfort to rednecks, I would say fear of encouraging bigots should also not stop us from confronting difficult and dangerous cultural realities.

    If we think that way, we end up the same as the well-meaning apologists for Communists when the Soviets really were up to no good. Not everywhere, not everyone, far from it, and McCarthyism is wrong. But it's also wrong to deny reality. Communists were up to no good, and many well-meaning people helped them by defending any accused Communist, however strong the evidence. Many were innocent, and often the security services were stupid and bad. But not always. Far from it.

    I think Orwell did the completely right thing at the end, pointing out which of his acquaintances was a danger, and to what degree. To think otherwise is to to delude oneself about the nature of such threats.

    But one should not tag everyone of such sympathies. Orwell didn't - he named some, and in his writing gave an idea of stakes, and kinds of people. And Fadden, awkwardly, has done likewise. And I don't see how one speaks potently about such things in public, going beyond the vaguest generalities, without giving an idea of the kinds of posts held. But of course, if you do that, then people want names. Which may be true, but can't be confirmed in a court of law. So then stick to same old generalities? But that doesn't seem to be getting through to parties and public, and ALL the parties may even be (un?)wittingly ignoring it because taking it seriously will be a real problem for them. And if that is so, and things may even be getting worse, dangerously so, then what to do? What to say?

    Maybe Fadden got it wrong, but someone tell me how one raises the alarm effectively without alarming people? As I say, his language was almost word for word what the RCMP reports said about organised crime for years.

     
  • At 1:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Well, it's not actually the same thing - at all. And I think you're being a bit too eager to blend them together without actually thinking about the reality of what happened in this interview.

    Fadden could easily have said something like, "We are concerned about possible undue influence of foreign governments within our provincial and federal governments. We take that threat very seriously and have active efforts underway to investigate possible influences."

    However, the moment you start throwing things out there like, "we know cabinet members in BC and at least one other province who right now are the undue influence of foreign governments . . . oh, and a few mayors as well." then you've just stepped in it.

    What Fadden did was the latter, not the former.

    I still can't believe you would defend his actions.

    Fadden has smeared anyone in the BC cabinet with such a "vaguely specific" accusation. It is NO different than McCarthy running around saying he has a list of communists working at the highest levels of government . . . no difference at all.

    Unless there are arrests in BC cabinet this week with specific charges, he owes them all an apology.

    Say you were a BC cabinet member now and let's just say you happen to think expanding trade relations with China is a good thing. What do you do now, knowing that any statement to that effect will be viewed under the shadow of, "What if he/she is a compromised citizen under the influence of Chinese officials?"

    Don't you see how utterly damning - and ridiculous - that is. And just how likely it is, given his half-ass, off-the-cuff innuendo.

    It is not acceptable . . . no matter how you try to spin it.

    Perhaps the real reason it is "so difficult to prove" is because it's not true?

    When are we going to start bringing the thought police in to determine why a government official has the opinions they have?

    Can't you see how irresponsible and dangerous this type of bile is in a functioning democracy?

     

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