Iggy Golightly & Holly Ignatieff
The following is a comment I made elsewhere. Worth reflection.
Stephen & Northern POV corrected Wherry. Critical Reasoning & Jack Mitchell’s comments half explicitly, mostly implicitly, raise a question I sometimes wonder about myself, inspired by a line in Breakfast at Tiffany’s (movie, couldn’t say about book): there’s no question Iggy’s a phony and always has been, the only question is whether he’s a “real phony”, like Holly Golightly, or a phony phony. He’s FELT DEEPLY about so many things and also felt EVERYONE should know how just how DEEPLY he felt (like letting his brother nurse his sick mother and then appropriating his brother’s & mother’s travails for a book in which Iggy becomes the caring one), while assuming supposedly iconoclastic positions from time to time in a Hitchens-like search to be later recognised for Orwellian moral clarity when all his fellow travellers were wrong (unfortunately, these wannabe iconoclasms were wrong on facts & morals, before & after). I guess there are two questions, whether he’s a just a phony or a “real phony”, and which is worse? Does he take on poses and then become convinced of their truth (a heightened version of what most human beings, esp. politicians, do) or is he always posing and simply can’t tell what’s real or true (like a Kundera comedian)? I think Iggy is an example of the second case, which is morally superior, as unaware of own phoniness and thus not consciously engaging in deception, his own or others, as well as a far more dangerous characteristic for anyone involved in questions of public policy which affect many people. Holly Golightly’s conduct only affects herself and a small circle around her, after all.
On a minor note, further to Stephen & Northern POV, I’d be intrigued to know what Wherry considers “the best bits of his Iraq reassessment”. Or is this a parody of Iggyism, for “Iraq reassessment”, see “misplaced specificity”? Or is Wherry suffering from Stockholm syndrome and actually thinks Iggy offered, (a) a proper “Iraq reassessment”, and (b) there were “best bits” within it? Or maybe even worse, if Iggy is a Kundera comedian-politician, has Wherry become a Kundera comedian-columnist, both playing roles, neither knowing, nor caring, about the real? Hope not. Hope it was just sarcasm or parody.
Stephen & Northern POV corrected Wherry. Critical Reasoning & Jack Mitchell’s comments half explicitly, mostly implicitly, raise a question I sometimes wonder about myself, inspired by a line in Breakfast at Tiffany’s (movie, couldn’t say about book): there’s no question Iggy’s a phony and always has been, the only question is whether he’s a “real phony”, like Holly Golightly, or a phony phony. He’s FELT DEEPLY about so many things and also felt EVERYONE should know how just how DEEPLY he felt (like letting his brother nurse his sick mother and then appropriating his brother’s & mother’s travails for a book in which Iggy becomes the caring one), while assuming supposedly iconoclastic positions from time to time in a Hitchens-like search to be later recognised for Orwellian moral clarity when all his fellow travellers were wrong (unfortunately, these wannabe iconoclasms were wrong on facts & morals, before & after). I guess there are two questions, whether he’s a just a phony or a “real phony”, and which is worse? Does he take on poses and then become convinced of their truth (a heightened version of what most human beings, esp. politicians, do) or is he always posing and simply can’t tell what’s real or true (like a Kundera comedian)? I think Iggy is an example of the second case, which is morally superior, as unaware of own phoniness and thus not consciously engaging in deception, his own or others, as well as a far more dangerous characteristic for anyone involved in questions of public policy which affect many people. Holly Golightly’s conduct only affects herself and a small circle around her, after all.
On a minor note, further to Stephen & Northern POV, I’d be intrigued to know what Wherry considers “the best bits of his Iraq reassessment”. Or is this a parody of Iggyism, for “Iraq reassessment”, see “misplaced specificity”? Or is Wherry suffering from Stockholm syndrome and actually thinks Iggy offered, (a) a proper “Iraq reassessment”, and (b) there were “best bits” within it? Or maybe even worse, if Iggy is a Kundera comedian-politician, has Wherry become a Kundera comedian-columnist, both playing roles, neither knowing, nor caring, about the real? Hope not. Hope it was just sarcasm or parody.


9 Comments:
At 1:46 PM,
wilson said…
''unaware of own phoniness and thus not consciously engaging in deception''
Here's is a quote, from Getting Iraq Wrong,
tat says your interim leader knows exactly who and why he is deceiving:
''Nothing is personal in politics, because politics is theater.
It is part of the job to pretend to have emotions that you do not actually feel.''
half way down the page:
http://www.vigile.net/article8029.html
At 1:47 PM,
Anonymous said…
This is a strange assessment of Holly Golightly actually, who is more like a wounded bird than actual villain.
But I take it you don't like this Iggy guy?
At 1:59 PM,
Eugene Forsey Liberal said…
Good catch Wilson.
Good one Joseph. You made me laugh. In truth, I don't think of Iggy as a villain, much more like Holly writ large, Holly playing (not knowing she's playing) an intellectual/politician. Holly did a lot of harm to those around her, as Iggy has, it's just that they operate on different scales. I don't think you should underestimate the damage suffered and the burden borne by Iggy as a result of his family, his father in particular. But often those who are psychologically damaged inflict harm on others, like Holly & Iggy. Their own suffering doesn't excuse their own misconduct. And in Iggy's case, given he's had every advantage to understand the world, he has no excuses. Hence my disdain. Holly had a rougher go and is more easily forgiven.
At 2:58 PM,
Anonymous said…
Off Topic re: Schreiber
Schreiber got his Canadian citizenship in 1982, guess who was PM?
Marc Lalonde, former Liberal MP and cabinet minister under Trudeau, paid a large chunk of his bail. Why? Because they're buddies.
Robert Thibault, Liberal MP and at the time Ethics Committee member visited Schreiber twice in jail before appearing in front of the committee. How ethical is that?
Credibility? Zero.
At 3:44 PM,
Eugene Forsey Liberal said…
Anon @2.58pm, you've convinced me: Mulroney & the Conservative government from 1984-1993, the government with the most prosecutions, indictments & resignations under clouds of scandal in Canadian history, was actually all a Liberal front! Mulroney et.al. were/are secret Libs and we totally threw the 1984 & 1988 elections on purpose. But please, don't tell anyone else or we will have to make you suffer the retribution of the Evil Awful Worldwide Liberal Conspiracy. Don't say you weren't warned...
At 6:22 PM,
Anonymous said…
Forsey, you are so very immature and naive. Unbelievable.
You don't like Iggy, but your obsession with trashing him is on the edge of sick.
You don't like him, don't vote for him. Not rocket science dude.
You're beginning to look extremely petty.
At 7:29 PM,
Anonymous said…
If you say you are a Liberal and do not like Ignatieff.. then vote some thing else, but do not keep running the Leader of the Liberals down...why not become an independent and shut up.
At 2:53 AM,
lyrical said…
I guess that might leave Stéphane Dion as "Cat"? At least he got the coolest song in that movie.
At 9:57 AM,
Eugene Forsey Liberal said…
I have always said I feel I should be precisely as loyal to Iggy as he & his supporters were to Dion.
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